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=================================================== In his book Laghu-bhagavatamrta, Srila Rupa Gosvami has enumerated the following twenty-five lila-avataras: Catuh-sana, Narada, Varaha, Matsya, Yajna, Nara-Narayaлa, Kapila, Dattatreya, Hayasirsa, Hamsa, Prsnigarbha, Rsabha, Prthu, Nrsinha, Kurma, Dhanvantari, Mohini, Vamana, Parasurama, Raghavendra, Vyasa, Balarama, Krsna, Buddha and Kalki... ========================================================= Any genuine seekr should add the following avataras as an addendum: Shri. Shri Satya Sai Baba Puttappatheeswar Shri Shri Rasaleelendra Bhagwan Rajnish Shi Shri Sirdi Sai Baba Siddheswar Shr Shrimati Mata Amrutanandamayi (Mohini Roopam) And finally Shri Shri 1008 Swayambhogi Anveshanji Maharaj (Myself) Post Extras: 
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In reply to:This SSB whom you mention is a homosexual child-molesting paedophile. How you can call him an avatar is totally beyond me. ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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are you not the same Vaisnava_das108 who was talking about vaisnava-apraada some time ago? "This SSB whom you mention is a homosexual child-molesting paedophile" Whether a person is good or bad, Gaudiya Vaisnavas are taught that all are born as Vaisnavas. Some merely forget this. But whether you forget or not, it is not sanctioned anywhere that you can talk this way about anyone. It is vaisnava-apraada - the worst sin. Be worthy of your name, vaishnavadas! Post Extras:
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I happen to have been a devotee of this very same Sathya Sai Baba for over 10 years. This should qualify me to make authoritative statements about SSB. I was brainwashed by his declarations of avatarhood and worshipped him as God. I have since found that he is guilty of murders, homosexual paedophilia, financial scandals, organ theft, etc etc. You name it, he's done it. I am now directly involved in the international effort of ex-devotees to publicise this case. Our most recent success as of three days ago was getting the University of Adelaide to cancell the Sai National Conference that was planned to be held there in April 2003. Very soon, his name will be dirt in Australia, we hope. How practical is your suggestion, that we should not talk this way about anyone, viz., telling people the facts? I find it an insult to avatars in general that SSB was included in the list of "updated avatars" by Anveshan. Vaishnava aparadha does not even come into the issue. Srila Prabhupada also condemned SSB in the 1970s, I suppose by your standards he is also guilty of Vaishnava-aparadha... If you are seriously suggesting that I should regard him as being born as a Vaishnava, then perhaps I should leave Vaishnavism. I want no contact whatsoever with that murderous paedophile. ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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In reply to:EXACTLY! Thank you Theist!  And the proverbial jewel on SSB's snakelike head was probably stolen from a jewellery store in Bangalore! 
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Who is your Guru? Post Extras:
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In reply to:Sorry, but it is my moral duty to expose false teachers. Srila Prabhupada himself said to do this. I was also asked to contribute my efforts by other ex-devotees. I have already written one paper that is online, and have been asked to write more. In reply to:I fail to see where I tried to compare myself with Srila Prabhupada? I simply applied your own arguments to yourself; If I criticise SSB, that is Vaishnava-aparadha (despite the fact that ssb is NOT a Vaishnava) but if Srila Prabhupada does criticises SSB then it is considered "bad" to follow in his footsteps? ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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I pray that I may never leave the shelter of my two siksa-gurus, Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Swami. I pray that their words may enter my heart and dispel the darkness of ignorance. I hope one day I may be intelligent enough to understand their instructions and follow them perfectly. ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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***One of the prophesies is at the end of the Golden Age there will be no more human consciousness only divine consciousness. Golden age 10 000 years, Lord Kalki go in end kali yuga, 400 000 years. Post Extras:
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"Sorry, but it is my moral duty to expose false teachers." Prabhupada was qualified to do this. Fine. But again, who gave you this moral duty? Just because you are a disgruntled (or whatever) ex-devotee of SSB, that doesn't give you the right to destroy other peoples faith etc. by spreading all that stuff - even if it's true. Suddenly I feel you've become the USA of this forum. "I fail to see where I tried to compare myself with Srila Prabhupada? I simply applied your own arguments to yourself" Where and what arguments have been applied to me? You said you were just doing as Prabhupada did. I said don't do what he does (well, not EVERYTHING) because he's infinately greater than you. "if Srila Prabhupada does criticises SSB then it is considered "bad" to follow in his footsteps? " Absolutely. Just think how far you would get in your spiritual life if you spent all that time reading, studying, listening and talking about the Krsna's Glory instead of spending hours and hours convincing others about the faults of SSB. Post Extras:
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In reply to:I have already stated that in my last post; I have a moral duty to inform people of false teachers. Srila Prabhupada himself stated that we should do this. I have also been requested to do so by fellow ex-devotees due to my position in the SB Organisation when I was his devotee, as I apparently have much to contribute. In reply to:What is the use of having "faith" in a false teacher? Can you imagine the hurt and the anguish that will erupt when SB finally goes down, just like I myself suffered so much hurt and anguish? As a matter of fact, I think I was one of the lucky ones. I can see now that Krishna had a plan by slowly easing me out of there by introducing me to Gaudiya Vaishnava philosophy, so that the transition was made easily with a minimum of fuss and anguish. Others have not been so lucky, tragically enough. Some have been screwed up for life, others are in mental hospitals, and some have even lost their faith in God as a result of their traumatic experiences with SB. Sorry, but we are an international community of ex-devotees who have united to form a movement against SB. Certain elements of ISKCON are also willing to helps us, and I myself have written an online paper that exposes one of SB's major declarations. I also intend to publish more (online?) papers that will surely expose more of his fallacious declarations/teachings from the Gaudiya Vaishnava viewpoint? Apart from that, all the major law enforcement agencies of the world, viz., FBI, CIA, German Police force, Surete, Interpol, Scotland Yard, etc, have been apprised of the SB situation and they are helping us as well as conducting their own investigations. In fact, just a couple of days ago we received an email that suggested we may be on the receiving end of legal action. We are looking forward to this as this will be our greatest opportunity to expose SB in recognised courts of law. What does all this have to do with Vaishnavism? Well, before you start going on about my supposed "vaishnava aparadha," you should consider what SB says about Krishna. In fact, he says that he IS Krishna. There are many instances of his nonsensical comments about Krishna that are too numerous to state here, but I will give you one: SB's excuse for homosexual behaviour with the students of his college is that he is Krishna and his sexual victims are re-incarnated Gopis. Did your blood boil just now? I certainly hope so. In reply to:Well, all I know is that Srila Prabhupada did encourage us to criticise/expose false teachers. I am trying my best to follow his instruction. In reply to:Well, unlike you, I cannot sit back and watch a homosexual paedophile masquerade as "God" while sexually abusing anyone he can get. After all, I was in the same situation as them, being an ex-devotee, thus I consider it my moral duty to warn people and also help his victims. We have also made considerable progress in exposing this guy and there is certainly more to come. And thanks for your concern, I truly appreciate it. I do my best to chant my rounds, attend the temple, eat prasada and read books, etc. As far as I can see, my spiritual life is not suffering due to my involvement with the SB affair. As a matter of fact, my personal role in the SB affair is of a minimum even though I am confidentially apprised of any major international developments. My involvement with ISKCON (mental, physical, emotional, etc) is far more than with SB. ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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If hes a paedophile surely hes the worst kind of teacher or in fact person because the child is left in many cases severely emotional disturbed- this cant be good for Karma and so paedophilia is surely a direct attack on good karma.... to simplify in Christian terminology, paedophilia is the inherently evil and is the devils work. Edited by Admin5 (02/27/03 02:13 PM) Post Extras:
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Speaking of which, I just now recalled that I have a selection of Srila Prabhupada's quotes about Sai Baba on my old site. They are not ALL the quotes available, Srila Prabhupada said much more, but this is a few: http://www.geocities.com/donmakaveli22/Prabhupada_on_sai.htm ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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That was an interesting link. I know little of Sai Baba. Reading the commentary a question came to mind. Do you think if there was a later incarnation of Vishnu, would Srila Prabhupada have accept him or her or is the attachment to the Krishna incarnation too great? Or perhaps he does not view Krishan as an incarnation of Vishnu-I don't know I am asking. Surely there are some variables. What would his thoughts be on a later incarnation such as Buddha? I realize that all is speculation and will never know perhaps, but was wondering if there were any thoughts? Edited by Coyote (03/03/03 10:18 PM) Post Extras:
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In reply to:Though I cannot claim to speak on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, I can give my own opinion and say that there should be no problem accepting a future incarnation of Vishnu/Krishna, so long as there are clear indications of prophecy in the shastras. The trouble with Sai Baba is that his followers have either spliced, invented or twisted some vague prophecies in SB's favour to make it look like he is an avatar, so this prophecy business has also turned dangerous. I have a collection of these "prophecies" on my old site, created when I was a devotee of his: http://geocities.com/dark_knight_9/prophecies.html Needless to say, all these prophecies are either erroneous or twisted. I have yet to make a full refutation of these prophecies, but I can forward you to some other online refutations if you like. Speaking of which, a friend recently told me that there is supposed to be a prophecy of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's return somewhere in the Caitanya Bhagavata, though he could offer no verse to back up this claim. He is presently in India, I shall ask him again when he gets back. But just think! Mahaprabhu again, is it possible? In reply to:As far as I know, Srimad Bhagavatam contains two prophecies of Buddha; one reveals the advent of Buddha that took place around 2500 years ago, while the other in Canto 2 states that a future incarnation of Buddha is expected when everyone has their own "airplane," or something of that like. Srila Prabhupada's view of this second prophecy is that it may be describing an incarnation of Buddha that took place in another kalpa. For this particular kalpa, Buddha was born 2500 years ago or so. ------- Radha-Krishna prana mora yugala-kisora; jivane-marane gati aro nahi mora "The youthful Divine Couple, Radha and Krishna, are my very life and soul. In life or death I have no one else but Them." -- Srila Narottama das Thakura Mahasaya Post Extras:
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