If the teaching is acintya bheda abheda, which is: equally personal and impersonal, and inconceivably so, why then do most gaudiyas seem to focus only on the bheda, when the teaching says they are equal, and the abheda is right there in black (and white) incontrovertibly next to the bheda.

(i dont like to use these terms 'personal' and 'impersonal' i think they are biased, i'd rather use distinct / non-distinct, but i'm using them just because they seem more widely-used in the gaudiya context).

Sensitive Issues that Arose from this thread, continue in the 'Mayavadi Ideas of Sunyata' thread in the Eclectic section. This was done for the purpose of keeping this thread to the topic at hand, which is an explanation of Gaudiya Views, and not Gaudiya Misconceptions of Mayavadi Views. I apologize for being the first one to start getting into that here in this thread.

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This post has been edited by evakurvan: Feb 10 2005, 12:58 PM

i do not want to turn this into a battle of credentials but i dont want interested onlookers to be misled, or get confused because of you coming in here to confuse and mix this topic up with your uninformed commentary.
You are the same guy from istagosthi.org with the nic name 'dark knight.'
I've been reading that board for ages without ever posting.
On that board you are pretending that you were the disciple of this tantra guru Vimalananda and acting like he gave you 'secret tantra instructions,' meanwhile he died in 1983 when you were still only 5 years old. You then went on to invent elaborate stories regarding your supposed meetings with him. I don't know what satisfaction you get from going around pretending all sorts of things on forums. Your response to being exposed in istagosthi was to just dissapear from the forum. Here is the relevant url.

http://istagosthi.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000139

I think this is relevant information, considering the fact that you are posting here now making similar grandiose claims about your studies in advaita. Considering your credibility, and also the kind of responses you give to my posts, i am sorry to say i doubt you. I also feel you are here to agitate me without giving much thought to what i am typing.

Please refrain from posting in this thread, and in the Sunyata thread i started.

Evakurvan, if you want to pick a fight with someone here, I suggest that you do not start with me. I was just about in the mood to understand you and where you are coming from, and now I see this latest diatribe ad-hominem attack. I am now beginning to understand a few things that some people have told me in PM about you. If this is some silly attempt to gain attention, then its not working. You continually complain that the posts in this topic are actually off-topic, and you proceed to do exactly the same thing yourself.


This coming from someone who thinks that R/V represents Advaita, which is about as misleading as anyone can get. You posted several questions about how GauDIyas feel the 'abheda' aspect and invited everyone to post their views. I posted my view, so? I am sorry that you feel that my commentary is uninformed. What exactly is uninformed?


First of all, let me emphasise that my past spiritual history and the events of my life are nothing to do with you and I do not need to explain anything about it. However, just because you have chosen to be ill-mannered and post this in a public forum without addressing your supposed grievances in private, I will have to be drawn into clarifying the situation in the same public.
Now, was I ever a disciple of Vimalananda? No. I met him on a few occasions and attended some of the informal lectures he used to hold in his house. This was a few months before he died. When I asked him about the possibilitiy of becoming his disciple [this was before I came to GV], he refused and said that his teachings would be published in some books, and that I should read those books. So did I receive some "secret tantra instructions" from him? No. I got it from his books, just like anyone can, as well as picking up some tips from his more senior disciples.

As for the date of his death and my age at the time, this is pure nonsense. Anyone who has even a single clue about Vimalananda knows how enigmatic he was. He deliberately avoided certain situations just so he could avoid creating new karmic connections, which he felt were an obstacle towards his own deliverance. The date of his death was deliberately changed (read, put back to an earlier date) just so anyone who tried to seek out any records of him and his family could not do so. After his death, people have tried to seek his family out but they have moved away. To suggest that he died in 1983 and I was 5 years old, do you really think I am so stupid to talk about an episode of my life and open myself to criticism?


That's probably because I am not pretending anything. If you were naive enough to believe something written about me (especially someone whose maliciousness is patently obvious), that speaks volumes about your sense of judgement. The simple fact that you have posted some rubbish from Istagosthi in here about me without even bothering to give me the right of reply, much less in public fora,.. well, you just humiliated yourself.


Really? And I suppose it had nothing to do with the fact that I actually left the forum a long time before that, and just popped my head in there once in a while? In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, I popped in my head and saw some Vimalananda discussion going on there and thus decided to speak of my own experiences with him. I didn't even notice this posting by "Dork Knight" [ :rolleyes: ] until I popped in a few months later. It was moved to the maintenance section by the moderator so I couldn't reply to his nonsense there either. After all, why should I respond to someone who obviously wishes to abuse me and claims that he knows me personally, and hides behind an anonymous identity, and decides to speak candidly of his wild homosexual exploits elsewhere in that forum?
So Evakurvan, stop lying. You read something and repost it as absolute truth without checking any of the facts. You talk in a condescending way about GauDIyas and to everyone as if they are dumb, and then justify it. You complain endlessly about "off-topic" posts and then turn around and ruin your own topic by raking up some muck and bringing it here. If you were honestly interested in this issue, you would have broached the subject in private. Rather, you try to embarass me in a public fora on the plea of "saving interested onlookers" from my devilish and demonic rantings that speaks of utter maliciousness. You just embarrassed yourself, sorry.


How unbelievable can this get? :rolleyes: This woman is not a moderator here, yet orders older members and everyone around as if she owns the place. Rest assured, I am not interested in participating in these topics anymore if this is the sort of mindless abuse that I have to deal with.

And just so you know, Evakurvan, I had been feeling that I had misunderstood you these past few days and my comments may have come out as being unduly harsh or so, and I was going to make an apology to you. Now, I'm glad I didn't.