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Re: The Bigger Picture

Hi Pax! I never got the chance to say to enjoy yourself when you were in Sri Lanka, when I wanted to recommend to you some great places to go.

PLEASE tell me you visited Mount Lavinia Beach, right? If not, then you missed out !! :)

Anyway, I found your post extremely enlightening, as usual. But I noticed a couple of contentious points:

The Venerable spiritual teacher, (venerable does >not necessarily mean perfected),

Isn't it essential for a Master to be fully realized, thus enabling him to pass it onto the disciple? Divya-jnan hrde prokasito, he imparts to us in our hearts the effulgent wisdom.

A master who is still following the process to get realised, if he accepts disciples, he is simply giving them a blank check. In the sense that "Oh I am practising the principles now, in the future I will get enlightenment, so you draw from my bank account then."

A guru should either be nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) or a sadhana-siddha ( acquired liberation through practice of sadhana) before accepting disciples.

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprobhu - was the greatest exponent of the Vaishnava devotional movement of Bengal. (fifteenth century)......I am glad that you mentioned him. It shows that you have done your research.:) And that he is also the GREATEST exponent, yes. But then I hear....None of the above realised God easily, almost all suffered greatly to achieve their enlightened goal.

I assume you include Mahaprabhu in that list? Then I might tell you that Mahaprabhu was actually an Avatar of the highest order.

It is actually offensive to say that He was an Avatar, because He was Krishna Himself in a different form.

Granted, it is very hard to believe that Mahaprabhu is God since he is respected all over India as a very great "saint." The reason for this is simple: Mahaprabhu covered his identity. The reason for his advent was to teach us the proper standard of devotion and how to attain it. He himself acted like a devotee to teach us how to do so.

I am unable to elaborate further because it is now 8pm and I really should be going home. If you have any questions, then please do not hesitate to ask.

Believe me, talking about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is well worth it! He will give you joy in your heart that makes you want to sing, dance and cry all over the world. Just this past weekend I have been thinkiing about Him nonstop - and that is why my heart has suddenly become very light, which is hardly surprising considering His love and compassion.

It's flowing out of my head everywhere. I'm actually dying slowly.

Sanjay



Mon Nov 13, 2000 12:11 pm

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Dear Dark KNight,<br><br>Allow me to engage in a joust.<br><br>"When I heard these allegations, my own *experience* is that my faith never even...
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Nov 2, 2000
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&gt;When you DECIDE to believe something rather than &gt;actually 'know' something then you brainwash &gt;yourself. We do this when we say so much we have ...
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&gt;There must be big problems with the organisation &gt;for you to disobey Sai in this regard. Don't you &gt;realise the organisation needs your ...
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Dark Knight 9<br><br>You said "Probably because I hardly ever read any books. Those little I read I disagreed with. Again, direct experience." <br><br>What ...
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I have always been curious what criteria are used to calculate the number of devotees. Certainly everyone who goes to the ashram is not a devotee. On the other...
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Post #740.<br><br>And also consider the fact that PN can only make records of devotees who actually go there. It is also a fact that there are many devotees ...
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Nov 3, 2000
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Dear Sanjay,<br><br>In the spirit of true light, and inspired by sistermargo2000 and her request for non-violence, I reply to your comments. <br><br>(My...
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Nov 11, 2000
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Dear Phoenixboy,<br><br>Your messages often indicate that we should 'move on' but you do not indicate where we should 'move on to'?<br><br>Your postings also ...
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Nov 12, 2000
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Dear Friend,<br><br>Yes, veneration is good, and it is good to have faith.<br><br>But, it is also good to use the mind. Both the heart and mind are equally...
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Dear Questor,<br><br>Thank you for your comments, however the question was not directed at you this time. I'd already guessed that the subject of devotion was ...
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Nov 12, 2000
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Hi Pax,<br><br>I know the post was not directed to me. I just wanted to comment on it. As I would expect people to comment on my posts (and they ...
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Dear Questor,<br><br><br>About Worship:<br><br>You are such a down to earth lady...(meant in a nice way.) I didn't think that the subject matter would be of...
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Sai Org is a human entity prone to fail in which any other human gathering may fail. During my time in the Sai Org I was opposed to so many things done there...
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Nov 13, 2000
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Thanks, Pax, for your gentle questioning.<br><br>I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I attribute the power to ssb, when it is the individual devotees...
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pax_gabriel,<br><br>Thank you for those comments. Yes, what is happening philosophically with many people now is that they are literally throwing away the baby...
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Dear Sainath 99<br><br>Did you ever follow Sai Baba? Forgive me for asking, but when did you find out that he was false? Or what sort of experiences did you ...
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&gt;Btw, did you know that there exists convincing &gt;evidence ie. detailed prophecies from the vedic &gt;scritures about Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br>&gt;being...
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Dear Pax gabriel<br><br>I will try to answer your question as best as I can. Thankyou for your question!<br><br>When I say we need to move on, by moving on I...
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In what I have been saying I do not intend to say that we should not venrate those that have shown us the way. These people have come before us and given us...
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Nov 12, 2000
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Hi Pax! I never got the chance to say to enjoy yourself when you were in Sri Lanka, when I wanted to recommend to you some great places to go.<br><br>PLEASE ...
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Nov 13, 2000
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Dear Sanjay and other interested folks,<br><br>My messages have not been very clearly lately. I am still suffering from jet lag and too much garden work here,...
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&gt;What direct experience do you have that the &gt;events in the Gita are true? <br><br>Simple. I have none. You DO realise that I was only referring to my ...
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You said "Yes I currently believe that Sai is God (much like the rest of the 80 million devotees!), and that "faith" is based on direct experience, not on the ...
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My answer is: simple.<br><br>You have mentioned that the last time you heard, there are more than 4000 "groups" worldwide.<br><br>Untrue. First get the correct...
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