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--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "conscientiousobjector2000"
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<conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
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<conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, saiexposed420
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, saiexposed420
<no_reply@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In
sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "conscientiousobjector2000"
> > > > > <conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "conscientiousobjector2000"
> > > > > <conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > >
sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "conscientiousobjector2000"
> > > > > <conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, saiexposed420
> > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > >
sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "conscientiousobjector2000"
> > > > > > > > > <conscientiousobjector2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com,
saiexposed420
> > > > > > > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > The sleazy trollop has been stating for years
that the
> > > > > sexual
> > > > > > > > > abuse
> > > > > > > > > > > victims who claim to have been abused by Sai
Baba have
> > > > > mental
> > > > > > > > > > > problems which imply that they are unreliable.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > However, the facts state that mental
instability is in
> > > > > fact an
> > > > > > > > > > > EFFECT of child abuse:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "In little over a decade, child sexual abuse
has come
> > > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > widely
> > > > > > > > > > > regarded as a cause of mental health problems
in adult
> > > > > life. The
> > > > > > > > > > > influences of child sexual abuse on
interpersonal,
> > > > > social and
> > > > > > > > > sexual
> > > > > > > > > > > functioning in adult life and its possible
role in
> > > > > mediating
> > > > > > > > > some,
> > > > > > > > > > > if not all, of the deleterious effects on
mental
> > > > health,
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > attracted less attention and research, but is
arguably
> > > > > equally
> > > > > > > > > > > important." -
http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/issues9.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Trollop also laughs at how the child
victims
> > > > > are "stupid"
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > being silent out of fear when they should
speak out,
> > > > > regardless
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > the fact that this is a common problem with
victims:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The manner in which the long-term effects of
child
> > > > > sexual abuse
> > > > > > > > > > > have come to be conceptualised reflects, in no
small
> > > > > measure,
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > very particular circumstances that surrounded
the
> > > > > revelation of
> > > > > > > > > > > child sexual abuse as an all too common event
in the
> > > > > lives of
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > > children. The first phase of modern research
into
> > > > child
> > > > > sexual
> > > > > > > > > abuse
> > > > > > > > > > > was not triggered by observations on child
victims,
> > > > but
> > > > > by the
> > > > > > > > > self-
> > > > > > > > > > > disclosures of adults who had the courage to
publicly
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > witness
> > > > > > > > > > > to their abuse as children."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The facts also show that victims of child
abuse can be
> > > > > > > > > considered to
> > > > > > > > > > > be suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress
Disorder:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "The relationship between child sexual abuse
and adult
> > > > > > > > > > > psychopathology tended initially to be
conceptualised
> > > > in
> > > > > terms
> > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > chronic form of post traumatic stress disorder
> > > > (Lindberg
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > Distad
> > > > > > > > > > > 1985; Bryer et al. 1987; Craine et al. 1988).
This
> > > > model
> > > > > focused
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > trauma-induced symptoms, most particularly
> > > > dissociative
> > > > > > > > > disorders
> > > > > > > > > > > such as desensitisation, amnesias, fugues and
even
> > > > > multiple
> > > > > > > > > > > personality. The idea was that the stress
induced
> > > > > symptoms
> > > > > > > > > > > engendered in the process of the abuse and
have
> > > > > reverberated
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > the years to produce a post-abuse syndrome in
adult
> > > > > life.
> > > > > > > > > > > "In its more sophisticated formulation, this
model
> > > > > attempts to
> > > > > > > > > > > integrate the damage inflicted at the time to
the
> > > > > victims'
> > > > > > > > > > > psychological integrity, by the child sexual
abuse and
> > > > > the need
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > repress the trauma, with resultant
psychological
> > > > > fragmentation.
> > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > latter manifests itself in adult life in
mental health
> > > > > problems,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > in problems of interpersonal and sexual
adjustment
> > > > > (Rieker and
> > > > > > > > > > > Carmen 1986). The post-traumatic stress model
found
> > > > its
> > > > > > > > > strongest
> > > > > > > > > > > support in the observations of clinicians
dealing with
> > > > > > > > > individuals
> > > > > > > > > > > with histories of severe and repeated abuse.
It was
> > > > also
> > > > > often
> > > > > > > > > > > linked to notions of a highly specific post-
abuse
> > > > > syndrome in
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > dissociative disorders were prominent."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&}
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nice try, con artist but there is ABSOLUTELY NO
CONCRETE
> > > > > PROOF
> > > > > > > > > that ANY children
> > > > > > > > > > have EVER been molested by Sai Baba. <<
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as concrete proof of
molestation,
> > > > > idiot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All your alleged victims are ADULTS who
> > > > > > > > > > NEVER bothered to file a complaint with the
police right
> > > > > afer the
> > > > > > > > > alleged event.
> > > > > > > > > > VERY suspicious to say the least.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not really, considering that the police in PN are
on SB's
> > > > > payroll
> > > > > > > > > and are paid to cover things up and harass
devotees such
> > > > as
> > > > > Jens
> > > > > > > > > Sethi, who tried to report his experience.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The REAL picture being revealed is that all the
> > > > > complainants are
> > > > > > > > > ALL ADULTS with
> > > > > > > > > > VERY suspicious backgrounds and
explanations,many which
> > > > > are EASILY
> > > > > > > > > proven frought with DECEIT. <<
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What are the suspicious backgrounds of Conny
Larsson, Hans
> > > > > de Kraker
> > > > > > > > > and Alaya Rahm, to name just a few? And how about
> > > > furnishing
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > evidence in this regard?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you want to PROVE otherwise,
> > > > > > > > > > have one of your cowardly alleged victims file
charges
> > > > > like ANY
> > > > > > > > > other victim has
> > > > > > > > > > to do and PROVE it in court.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks but we are already doing that. We don't
need YOU to
> > > > > tell us
> > > > > > > > > what to do, since we are the ones who are having
great
> > > > > success in
> > > > > > > > > exposing Sai Baba unlike your paltry efforts to
defend
> > > > him.
> > > > > Did you
> > > > > > > > > happen to catch Secret Swami on BBC World?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> As it stands, your alleged victims ALL look
VERY
> > > > > suspicious by
> > > > > > > > > trying to CIRCUMVENT the LAWS. <<
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well as I said, its too bad you are ignorant about
all of
> > > > > our plans.
> > > > > > > > > I even dropped several hints relating to the BBC
project
> > > > but
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > were too dumb to understand them, so thats too
bad. And
> > > > why
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > we inform you of our plans anyway?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Quit acting like some know-it-all and just accept
the fact
> > > > > that your
> > > > > > > > > pervert guru is going to jail as soon as possible.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And by the way, next time ANSWER all of my points.
This
> > > > > entire post
> > > > > > > > > was not about Sai baba's molestations, but about
YOUR
> > > > sleazy
> > > > > > > > > attitude towards those who claim to be molested.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is NOT good manners to insinuate that molestees
have
> > > > > mental
> > > > > > > > > problems etc because they probably DO and which is
BECAUSE
> > > > > they were
> > > > > > > > > molested. It's true what I said, you're a
heartless bitch.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&}
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And you're a slimey porn pervert who, according to
his OWN
> > > > > rules should be in JAIL.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Amazing how stupid this idiot is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. What did anything I said above have to do without
porn? And
> > > > > besides that, yuo have been claiming for a long time now
that I
> > > > have
> > > > > pron connections, yet you have failed to stump up even a
single
> > > > > shred of proof to back up your accusations. I suggest you
either
> > > > > prove your malicious allegations or else shut up. Got it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW, I'm not "insinuating" that alleged molestation
victims
> > > > have
> > > > > mental problems so stop putting your perverted words in my
mouth,
> > > > > idiot. I KNOW Khorramshagols and Larsson have mental
problems. <<
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nope. What did anything I said above have to do without
porn? And
> > > > besides that, yuo have been claiming for a long time now
that I have
> > > > pron connections, yet you have failed to stump up even a
single
> > > > shred of proof to back up your accusations. I suggest you
either
> > > > prove your malicious allegations or else shut up. Got it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > BTW, I'm not "insinuating" that alleged molestation
victims have
> > > > mental problems so stop putting your perverted words in my
mouth,
> > > > idiot. I KNOW Khorramshagols and Larsson have mental
problems. <<
> > > >
> > > > It is interesting how you refer to me as a 'liar' when I
exposed you
> > > > a few months ago as the same. In that mini-expose, I
confronted you
> > > > with your own comments in two different posts. In the first
post you
> > > > said you KNEW that he had mental problems and in the other
you said
> > > > you THOUGHT he had problems. When I asked you to make up
your mind,
> > > > you said soemthing silly and ran away.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, I'll ask you again quite clearly: If you contend
that you
> > > > KNOW that Larsson and Khorramshahgols have mental problems,
PROVE IT
> > > > NOW. You say that you "know" so prove it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> The mental problems existed LONG before Sai Baba came
along,
> > > > liar. Larsson "testified" Sai Baba saved his life from an
attempted
> > > > self-drowning and then changed his story. Larsson has a
history of
> > > > lying. <<
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Larsson never "testified" jackshit. You should really hear
your own
> > > > words. "Testify" is a word usually connected with court
proceedings,
> > > > so has Larsson ever "testified" his story in court?
> > > >
> > > > Where is his proven history of lying? If you contend that he
speaks
> > > > two different versions of the same incident, why not
highlight it by
> > > > posting the relevant parts? Also, have you got in contact
with him
> > > > and asked him why he has allegedly changed his story? I
recall quite
> > > > clearly that 2 years ago you asked for Larsson's email
address in
> > > > order to confront him with this proposition. When the contact
> > > > information was handed to you on a plate, as well as the
info of
> > > > Hans de Kraker and other molestees) you REFUSED to get into
contact
> > > > with him (them).
> > > >
> > > > When you note alleged inconsistencies and refuse to contact
the
> > > > persons involved, and then turn around and claim that they
are
> > > > pathological liars, this is called INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't say much for your "research", does it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> Since there are so many pathological LIARS in your group I
> > > > personally don't believe ANY of the stories. It's my
perogative and
> > > > your immature peer pressure crap isn't going to sway my
opinion. <<
> > > >
> > > > That's fine with us, you know. We personally do not give a
jackshit
> > > > for what your opinion is. You can continue your self-
condemnaton by
> > > > virtue of your belief in an anal paedophile and murderer as
God for
> > > > all we care. However, you have NO right at all to claim that
we are
> > > > liars etc when you have NO proof to back it up.
> > > > Even though you NEVER produce any evidence to back up your
claims,
> > > > it is still your biased opinion that we are liars but I
trust you
> > > > understand why we may object.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> Like I said, find a court and let's see how well your
alleged
> > > > victims do under OATH. <<
> > > >
> > > > Kinda like how Sai Baba never proved his innocence in the
1993
> > > > murders in court since he was never questioned, never mind
being
> > > > questioned under oath? LOL, you really should realise that
every
> > > > time you point a finger there are three pointing right back
atcha.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh yes, and congratulations for AGAIN diverting this thread
away
> > > > from its original purpose: Your attitude towards molestees
STILL
> > > > stinks when you say molestees have mental problems etc, when
even
> > > > academic research into sexually abused patients shows that
mental
> > > > problems and post-traumatic syndrome are (natural?) EFFECTS
of
> > > > sexual abuse. In effect, you are a still a heartless
retarded BITCH.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you sleep soundly tonight.
> > >
> > >
> > > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&}
> > >
> Oh give me a break, idiot. YOU are the pervert who claimed looking
at porn photos of children didn't hurt them, remember stupid? <<
What does that have to do with anything above????? And that is not
quite what I said, moron. I stated to the effect that while
downloading of child porn is certainly illegal, it carries a lesser
sentence than actual child-rape. This means that even if Sai Baba
has an internet connection to download his pervert porn pics, he is
going to jail for LONGER since he actually rapes children too. Chew
on that, bitch.
>
> ALL of your 'visible' alleged victims (except ONE) are WHINEY
GROWN men who were at, <<
Whiney? See, there you go again with your irreverent attitude
towards molestees. You have NO sympathy or concern for those who ave
been molested by Sai Baba, IRREGARDLESS if they are youths or not,
BITCH. The simple fact is that your perverted guru sucks dicks and
rapes anuses. Quibbling over whether the victim is under the age of
consent or not is MOOT. Your guru is a FAGGOT.
>> Women put up with sexual advances ALL the time and don't whine
like you wimpy idiots. <<
What a sleazy slut you are. You mind explaining the difference
between coming on to a woman and raping them? Or forcing them to
perform oral sex? You're a crazy schizo and your silly comment above
is proof of that.
>> Me thinks thou dost protest TOO much (because you think you're
going to get a payoff out of it...I see dollar signs in your eyes).
<<
Very good. Have you seen Jesus or any angels lately too?
>> Let me just say one more thing to make my position VERY clear.
Since the primary basis of this argument is that Sai Baba is
a "child molestor", the FACT that ALL but one of the accusers are
technically GROWN men SCREAMS massive deception. <<
Unfortunately you make your position ever more unclear. Let me CLEAR
it up for a schizoid thickheaded 'tard like you: This post/thread is
NOT about whether Sai Baba is guilty of child molestation or not.
It is about YOU and your IRREVERENT attitude towards those who have
been molested by Sai baba, children or not.
You regularly sneer, carp and poke fun at molestees and say they
have mental problems etc when, assuming that they actually do, is
NOT a problem because mental ailments are an EFFECT of traumatic
molestations, dumbfuck.
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