[1]: Reference One: www.saipetition.net/DB.mp3
Full Transcript To David Bailey's Phone Conversation
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Who made this recording and why this recording was made, are questions that are not answered. A date is not given for the recording either. It is undeniable that David Bailey prepared his Anti-SSB material for this phone call. Otherwise, how is it that the recording starts with the phone ringing in David Bailey's office/home? This means that David Bailey was expecting this call and had his agenda prepared before-hand! Anti-SSB Sites have only provided the first half of the phone transcript. This made me wonder why the other half had not been given. Consequently, I wrote it out, and cross checked every word, myself. The reason why the rest of the phone conversation had not been given, soon became apparent. David Bailey admits to maintaining "silence" for 18 months, despite knowing that students were allegedly being sexually abused! David Bailey also claimed that students recanted their testimonies, alleging sexual abuse, yet does not provide a scintilla of evidence to back up this claim. This phone conversation gives vital insights into the mystery that surrounds David Bailey's disaffection with Sathya Sai Baba.
Phone Conversation Transcript:
(Phone Rings)
(Lady) Hello
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Hello my name is Thomas…um I…
(Lady) Totally cofused…
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Yes
(Lady) Yes, okay Thomas, I will put you through to David.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Okay, alright thanks.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Meditation groups…(unclear: something about running a meditation group for the Sai Organization in Sweden)…one in August and have come to great doubt whether to have it or not. There’s possibility to have it outside the sai organization but I don’t feel like (unclear: words with laughter) So Irene, she was not quite sure, you mention something about Internet, do you have exact address?
David Bailey: If you look up under sai baba skeptics thats spelled with s-k…e-p-t-i-c-s, there is about 130 different aricles put together by a man called premanand. Now Premanand was very close to Swami before Terry Gallagher. Terry Gallagher was an Australian who spent five, six, seven years - and a (whole) day - with Swami. He was closer than I was with Swami. Then when he left, through having found out the truth of what is going on, I somehow became so close to Swami that for three years I was blind to what was going on... because I had been told what everybody else had been told. And then after our marriage we became even closer and became part of what it termed the inner circle. And when we saw for ourselves what was going on and realised what other people who’d been close also had experienced and why they had left, then when we did our world tour last year, it was disasterous... um..with so many things that we found.
We went back at Christmas to discover that everything that we had found was totally true; as soon as we got back to England, we had the fraud squad from Scotland Yard, the British Government's Foreign Office and the Charity Commissioners waiting for us with major investigations, um with proven fraud in some cases.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: What is that?
David Bailey: Fraud is mishandling of money - and the other thing which we had discovered was this homosexual activity. You know, to start off with we believed was only ..ah.. - shall we say - raising the kundalini within the student. This is what we were told, but then when we realised that it was not... and it was definitely not just Swami - well I have to be open and honest - playing with the students... but asking the student to actually make sexual acts on Swami, including oral sex. It was just ridiculous. And then the students at the college turned to me for help, because this has been going on for years, it is why the assassination attempts occurred... because the students were absolutely sick of him making them do things they didn't want to do. And I am grown up in my attitudes and realistic to realise that around the world many things happen between consenting adults, but when you are in a position of power as headmaster or teacher or guru or whatever you like... to make your students do things they do not wish to do, is not acceptable, and also in England - as I believe it is true in Sweden - it is illegal. And if Swami were in England he would been put in prison for twenty years.
Now that is my problem because at one of England's top preparatory schools for children from five to thirteen years old, the Royal family sent their children to this school... and I was suddenly made redundant. I lost my job and they asked me to continue with my job part time only to teach in the classroom - no work in the evenings... even we had performed one musical and they said you may not attend the rehearsals, you can only attend the performances.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: (unclear)
David Bailey: Sorry...
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Because of your connections with Baba?
David Bailey: This I did not understand...
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: But now you...?
David Bailey: But now I do. Because he is listed as a paedophile and around the world, um I was seen - with Faye - to be going round speaking for Swami. From the police, from the authorities from many countries... they saw David and Faye - and other people too - going to speak for Swami. As a result families would go out to Swami... sons, the young men would be sexually approached and come back, there is even one person in England that has committed suicide and we have stopped another one, we pray, from doing so. But we were seen as agents... you know, that we would be very charming, very nice, persuade people to go - because of my involvement with the college boys so closely, they thought that I was just a provider of his sex toys.
That has now ruined my career in England because I now have a record of being connected with him. Then of course there is the money side of things – that as we spoke, people of course wanted to give money. When they investigated the truth of the hospital, the truth of the water project, the truth of where the money goes - and I have personally have investigated first hand - that the water project is not finished, there are many villages without water - not even connected. The hospital is very badly run and it is just not what we are told at all. Now people do not want to hear this, but this is the truth. This is why Faye and I have moved away. He knows that he will be caught out.
The rings are all bought from Hyderabad and locally in the village, the vibuthi he carries between his fingers in tablets... I've seen it, he dropped a tablet in front of me. It is all an illusion, it is all a hoax, it is all one big trick, and so many of us very innocent people have been hoodwinked. Faye and I, with our books, we have removed them from sale wherever we can, because we cannot allow anybody else to go and get involved because of us.
We also respect that many people do good, but it is now time, in my view for people to do good because of good, not because of his name. It is a terrible situation – well Magnus was in tears yesterday. When I started to find this out eighteen months ago I had nobody to share this with and I certainly cried myself to sleep for several weeks. When I spoke to the very close people - I have some very good friends there who know exactly what's going on - when you get to the inner circle it is a business, that's all they're interested in really, but people like Phyllis Krystal, people like Mike Hollander, who have been there for many years, they just turn around and they say 'If you consider he is God, he can do anything. He can have fraud, sex, drugs... anything. If you do not consider he is God, then of course you have a problem, because of the laws of your land, your morality, your own upbringing and your own standards. And they say David this is your problem to sort out, you must decide that he is God. I said this is crazy, the one that creates this beautiful world that we live in, does not come to this earth and do these ridiculous things. There is NO record in Prashanthi of him doing any healing at all. Any healing that has happened within people has been an internal personal thing, but there are very, very few serious records of this anyway. The problem with the incidents that have been reported before is that either the young men have been so threatened that they have said 'I'm sorry, I made a mistake'
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Who has threatened them?
David Bailey: Indulal Shah, for example, the Organization, the coordinators. The pressure from people who have been 'besotted', people who are so sincere devotees of Sai Baba. They will not accept that he could do anything like this, and they have pressurised the young men to say 'Oh I'm sorry... I made this up.'
There is a video that Magnus has got, which has been done a year ago, but is now just being broadcast two weeks ago on Irish television done by the television companies from Switzerland, Germany, Italy and Ireland, who got together because they are so horrified with what’s going on, that they have produced this documentary for about nearly one hour, not being unkind, but just to say these are the facts this is what you will find. And it has been very, very well put together and what is on that video I have first hand experience of and it is true. It’s very sad…
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Very sad…
David Bailey: But we have to be serious detectives. Wanting the truth...I think the first thing that made me question was when there was a question of Prince Charles going there. And because I have played for the Royal Family, several times, I know that what happens with the detectives that goes, you know, to check everything out first. And Prince Charles had written to me about the possibility of going one day. And I suddenly thought what questions will they ask me? What answers can I give them? And I suddenly realized that I was living in a dream world, not in the real world and thats when I started to want the real answers. Like you know what actually happens at the hospital. Not just "oh this is a beautiful hospital". What happens? How many operations are done. What are the operations? Are all the wards open? There are 750 villages. How many villages have now water. Not just "this is a lovely project, isn’t it good and feel good for being involved", but what is the truth? And when you start finding the truth, you start thinking, “oh no! oh no!”.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: What did you find about (unclear)?
David Bailey: There is a ward that is still not open. They have not done any renal operations for a year. The money is questionable. With Isaac Tigrett, when the hospital was built, he gave $49 million dollars, well only $34 million went to the hospital. The rest well...it is just corrupt. Australian television did a program on him last year on the hospital. They had found that they were selling organs, etc. The hygiene of the hospital is disgusting. Now I know (name unclear) who is the top anesthetist from Australia who is there all time and he said to me, David you never, ever, ever, ever let anybody come to this hospital because they do not understand hygiene. It is just so sad. We’ve had several incidences where people have been refused entrance to the hospital and who need attention. They say they don’t have the money, but this does not make sense because of the money that I have seen being handed into the office every day.
The problem that we have is that the coordinators will say "this did not happen", or "this is an illusion", "this is a test". It is something that must be addressed. I know that (name unclear) the coordinator for the Russian speaking countries, he is going to speak to Indulal shah and to Swami about this in a weeks time because he has also had many problems. But still believes that Swami is God and God can do anything.
But this is not something that is in the real world. Before I found Swami, I had many, many experiences of people who could heal, people who are psychic who could see the future. And I have experiences of roses, the flowers, just appearing on the table in front of me. So these things were not something that were new to me. I accepted all this. And this is not something to base somebodys divinity on. So what do you base it on? Because over the centuries, the stories have never been like this. And it is only because we want it to be good. We make an excuse for why he does this.
(topic abruptly changes) But This boy is one of hundreds that we know of. Not just one of ten or twenty.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Are you talking about Tom?
David Bailey: I don’t know the boys name, I’ve not been given it.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Ah ha. But it must be him?
David Bailey: Right.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Yeah. I was in puttaparthi in January with him. And now in June with him and we talked very openly. It’s him you mean?
David Bailey: Right.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: He is a very sincere spiritual seeker and very easy to believe. He’s..he...Did you meet him, or…?
David Bailey: Well, I may have…
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: he, I mean, I trust him, I trust as a human being. I trust him. We talked a lot and you know you get a feeling. Is he talking truth or is there something behind.
David Bailey: Exactly…
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: I got the feeling he's very trustworthy yeah...I...I really think so. And he’s uh...He has morality. Which is sound and fine and sublte yet strong. It took him, well he probably told you, it took him some time to decide what to do with his experiences, but when he had made his decision, he goes out in a very fine way, I think, talking to others and hes fine to talk with.
David Bailey: Yes.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: He’s really balanced.
David Bailey: Yes This is very good because if this was somebody who is not balanced it makes the whole thing…well there is a question there. I can tell you that I know many, many, many examples of this. So the students because I was so close to them, just turned to me for help, they pleaded with me for help.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: Did you teach in Sai School?
David Bailey: Yeah, I taught in the College in Prashanti ah for 3, 3 and half years. Not all year, but for periods of 6 weeks, 2, 3, 4 times a year.
Thomas Wiehe of Sweden: In music?
David Bailey: In Music. And I prepared the music for Christmas, and for Gurupurnima and sometimes at Birthday. And so it makes being with the boys perhaps up to 6 or 7 hours every day and I have a very close relationship with them. And with one or two member of staff too. I know exactly what goes on there. When Faye and I discovered what we knew, we decided that we felt it was better to be silent because there are so many people there who rely on him. And thats why we continued with the magazine. Not to stop the magazine but to continue it. To give people things to move on to. Not to change from….(abruptly ends). |