Khorramshahgol (Afshin) Queries Gèrald Morèno
From: Said Khorramshahgol
I would like to
respond to some accusations that a Mr. Gèrald Morèno has made against me,
Said Khorramshahgol (Afshin).
I was recently sent a copy
of an "expose" Mr. Morèno has written about me on his website at
the briefest scan revealed that all his accusations are the same as
those that have been levelled against me by Sai devotees
before. Mr. Morèno did not contact me to hear my side of the story
or to give me a chance to clear things up, he instead chose to just
smear me without giving me any chance. But that has been typical of
devotees who want to defend Sai Baba.
I am surprised to
see that a person in some ways coherent as Mr. Morèno tries to convince
everyone that just because I have spammed and just because I have used
foul language before, then it means that I am mentally ill and therefore
my sexual molestation account cannot be counted on. Is Mr. Morèno a
psychiatrist or psychologist that he can so confidently pronounce on a
person's mental state, and with so little evidence?
Now I would
like to point out some of the problems I see in his
First and foremost, Mr. Morèno assumes that everyone
will believe anything that he says, which might explain why he does not
give any real proof of anything. Here is a list of the "proof" that he
1. A link to the
account of my abuse at the hands of Sai Baba where I talk about the
guilt that I felt after following Sai Baba's teachings and how the guilt
2. A link to an MSN group called
SaiBabaMaestroeAvatar, where I supposedly spammed over 1,200
3. A link to a yahoo group where I have
posted a lot of messages.
4. A link to some
newsgroup posts that are supposedly from me.
The above can hardly
be considered as proof. Anyways, here is my response to the
1. As I said in my account of sexual abuse at the
hands of Sai Baba, I felt very guilty for failing to follow ALL of the
teachings of Sai Baba and as a result the guilt made me depressed over
time. Mr. Morèno and other devotees make the point that this is an
"evidence" that "proves" that I have mental problems. It is a
completely shameful and appalling argument and it is not becoming of a
seeker of Truth and Love to use such negative smear campaign.
have Mr. Morèno and so many Sai devotees refused to hold Sai Baba and
his organization to the civil, moral and ethical accountability that are
expected of the rest of us? Have they never stopped to consider the
terrible battle sexual abuse survivors have to get their accounts
Together with other
devotees, Mr. Morèno grabs at straws over how I felt guilty when I could
not practice the very difficult teachings of Sai Baba. Perhaps he and
they are immune to guilt, but I would like to let them know that many
people in the world do feel guilt, some more than others. Does that
make them crazy? In case it is thought that such shameful psychologizing
is confined to rank and file Sai devotees, let it be recalled that it
has been used by top Sai leaders such as Dr. Hislop when he refers to
the testimony of a boy devotee from Northern California as "teen anxiety
and projection." (Memo, January 18, 1981, in possession of a former Sai
leader Dr. Timothy Conway, of Santa Barbara, USA.) Similarly, the Rahm
family relate how Dr. Michael Goldstein said that their son might be
"delusional." Again, rather than provide, for example, an
independent, third party professional assessment, there is the attempt
to attribute mental symptoms.
It is very revealing to see Mr.
Morèno and a number of Sai devotees act like they do not know how guilt
affects people, especially if the guilt is acute.
Mr. Morèno provides no proof of where he gets 1,200 from. I ask
Mr. Morèno to tell us where and how he came up with the number
3. By suggesting that I posted a lot of messages on
that Group, Mr. Morèno tries to depict me as not just a regular poster
to it but as spamming that group. Anyone can go to the Group and see my
posts and decide if I post spam or if my posts are, rather,
discussions/arguments/etc with other club members. Perhaps Mr.
Morèno would like to provide a link from an internet ethics site where
they condemn a group member from discussing issues (i.e., posting) a lot
of times. If you are interested in seeing my posts, go to the link
below, my username is email@example.com at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2.
Also, Mr. Morèno fails to
say that there are some devotees (like Bon Giovanni, whose
hyper-intellectualized, heart-absent labyrinths tend to resemble his
own) who have posted thousands of messages in various groups and
newsgroups. Does Mr. Morèno think that they are spamming
too? Or does he believe that they are just defending Sai Baba or
promoting Sai Baba?
4. Mr. Morèno asks people to
click for an example of my posts to newsgroups and by clicking that link
people are taken to posts made by a firstname.lastname@example.org. If
Mr. Morèno had done his research, he would have realized that even
bears my last name, I have always and for years denied that it was I who
created and used that account. And I can provide proof. Read every
post of this email@example.com
and you will see that an individual was stalking me and by means of his
or her posts was trying to ridicule me. As a side note, truth and
reason never stopped the devotees to continue claiming that firstname.lastname@example.org is
me, even when they saw that the individual is taunting me and trying to
bother me, etc.
Sadly, Mr. Morèno and a whole procession of Sai
devotee activists assail without proof those who testify to being
sexually molested by Sai Baba. For example, follow the link below to a
list of questions that I have been asking a devotee since August 27,
2004 (I am drafting this response on November 12, 2004) without any
one must note that Mr. Morèno does not present anything new in his
"expose". All that he said has been said by other devotees. Would
Mr. Morèno tell us whether he was being fed this information by someone
I would now like to
answer Mr. Morèno's other accusations (for which he did not provide any
This is a first hand
account given by Said Afshin Khorramshahgol, from Iran, who claims to
have been sexually abused by SSB.
This proves that Mr.
Morèno did not do a good job in researching or that he got the
information from other devotees. My name is not Said Afshin
Khorramshahgol but Said Khorramshahgol. This is a typical
mistake that some devotees with whom I have had interactions in various
groups/newsgroups make. I was given two first names at birth, Said and
Afshin. I have said this before. Hopefully, Gèrald Joè Morèno and
the others will one day get it right.
Said Afshin Khorramshahgol's online activity and
behavior shows he has acute mental issues. Afshin said in his
letter to the Bailey's that "I was busy talking to him about my
problems, the problems of my country Iran, and my family's problems, and
I was asking him for his blessing for all of them".
Morèno claims that my online activity proves that I have extremely
severe "mental issues". Trying to prove his point, he provides a
quote of mine from my accusation letter where I was talking to Sai
Baba. How Mr. Morèno linked my online activity to my accusation
letter is beyond me. Further, how does the sentence "I was busy
talking to him about my problems" imply that I have mental
problems? And also, does Mr. Morèno know of anyone who does not
Does he know anyone who,
given the chance to be face-to-face with God, would not talk about their
problems in life? Is Mr. Morèno himself exempt from mental or any
other types of problems?
Does Mr. Morèno have any kind of
credentials to be able to say who has mental problems and who does
not? It doesn't sound like he is a psychologist, psychiatrist, or
therapist. If he were either a sexual abuse professional or simply a
person of sensitivity and compassion he would realize that people all
round the world are sexually abused irrespective of the greater or
lesser severity of their mental problems.
Afshin has many problems. Something he openly
I never made such an admission, but how can I
prove it to you, the reader. It is impossible for me to prove the
negative. It was Mr. Morèno's ethical and moral responsibility to
provide a proof to you. I ask Mr. Morèno to provide proof that I did
admit to having many problems.
I would also ask him, does he
think that problems are solved when a person they adored and worshipped
sexually abuses and betrays their childlike trust?
His online activity shows he has many more problems
than one would initially think. Besides the many letters he wrote
to Bon Giovanni and others, Afshin has spammed SaiBabaMaestroeAvatar, an
MSN Sai Group, no less than 1,200 times. He spammed 920 times under one
name and was banned by Deja.com and then Afshin resumed spamming
(admittedly) under multiple fake names. Click Here for
Besides the fact that Mr. Morèno needs to prove
that I did spam that group 1,200 times (I asked for such proof already
in response number 2), he needs to clear up what he means by fake names?
Don't people create names like 'loveu' or 'badboy2004' or
'demolitionman'? I thought that this was normal and accepted
practice on the internet. Again, I ask Mr. Morèno to provide a link from
an internet ethics site where they condemn having such alias
An even more important issue is that Mr. Morèno implies
that spamming is a mental illness. So I ask Mr. Morèno to provide
proof from any credible source to prove his assertion that spamming
defines mental illness.
And I also ask Mr. Morèno to provide
proof where I admitted "spamming" under "multiple fake names". I
think these accusations are so ruthless that at the minimum I deserve to
He swears using the
F*** word and calls a person "bastard".
Mr. Morèno, do you
live in Pleasantville? It sure sounds more and more that Mr. Morèno
is fanatically trying to hold on to straws in his accusations. The fact
is that some survivors of sexual molestation swear and some don't. But
Mr. Morèno is impervious to such commonsense realizations, and instead
appears bent on doing a hatchet job of those who have tried, against
unending attack from devotees, to get a proper, impartial hearing for
their accounts of being sexually abused by Sai Baba.
might be surprised that the Sai informants that surely keep him primed
with information are also capable of such language as I am sure you are
too. Take a look at Bon Giovanniís response at the link below, where he
uses the word "cunt", if you don't mind me saying. Does Mr. Morèno turn
his critical attention on his Sai
Supposedly, he has made over 3,000 posts in over 100
news groups (something he does not deny)! I'm sorry, but anyone who
spams any site over 20 times has mental issues. I have never heard of
anyone spamming any site from 1,000 - 3,000
"Supposedly"? Does he mean to say that he is
accusing me of making "over 3,000 posts" (let Mr. Morèno make up his
mind - is it spam or post?) and continue to use this
supposition/accusation to claim that I have mental problems?
Ludicrously, he starts out by saying "supposedly" and later on that I
don't deny having made 3,000 posts. Isn't that illogical? Is
Mr. Morèno being dishonest?
Let Mr. Morèno say how he came
up with the number 20? What makes it OK to spam 20 times or
less? It really sounds like his 'arguments' represent his attempt
to clutch on to straws. It all sounds so very childish.
ask Mr. Morèno to provide proof where I admit that I have made over
3,000 posts in over 100 newsgroups.
person, who had an interview with SSB, gave their experience of seeing
incredible materializations and Afshin completely bashed that person
saying they lied about what they saw and experienced with SSB, however,
Afshin wants others to believe what he saw and
I don't even know which incident he is referring to,
how can I argue about it? This supports my point; besides the fact
that citing a source is a must for any argument, it is also ethical to
provide proof for your accusations.
this page, on ExBaba.com, Afshin said, "You might be asking me why I am
emphasizing guilt. As a result of all of this I became very depressed
and also I had a lot of paranoia. I came to the point that from the
pain, my chest felt like had opened and I could feel every cell in my
chest blowing from the pain as if they were boiling water. At the same
time I was very paranoid about things. After years of telling myself
that I was stupid and not good enough, I had somehow come to the belief
that I was crazy. I would interpret every sentence ten different ways".
All of this shows that Afshin had mental issues prior, during and after
his meeting with SSB.
How very compassionate and sensitive
Mr. Morèno is! Using using someone's low point in life to launch an
unfair attack on them.
Anyhow, I answered this accusation
in the beginning of this message (response number 1).
Consequently, I have valid reservations about the
integrity of his accounts.
We shall see if my integrity
will stand when he, if he, provides the proofs that I have asked
On the sathyasaibaba2 yahoo
online forum, Afshin has made literally thousands of posts in addition
to the 3,000 posts mentioned earlier. On this MSN Group Forum and on the
sathyasaibaba2 yahoo forum (which has allowed white supremacist images,
of the vilest kind,
to be posted in their "photos" section since
February of 2004) Afshin has said Ö"
I answered this point
above (response number 3), but I would like to ask Mr. Morèno if he has
attempted to contact the creator/owner of that group to see why he has
not deleted the white supremacist images? He may be dead and unable to
delete the images. I am surprised that he has not made a "point" about
the apparently sex-related posts on the group! Did he know that
those posts have not been deleted either? Even though Mr. Morèno may
conclude that the owner of that group is a sex-crazed white supremacist,
I think that the owner of the group probably never visits the group
anymore and so the group is not being managed. Here, for Mr. Morènoís
benefit, is one that was posted very recently: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/41992
Morèno provides 8 paragraphs in his "expose" in a last, sluggish attempt
to make me look like a mad-man, and he does so without any proof that
the paragraphs are my writings. I supposedly have made some of the
statements (listed below), but since there is no link to prove that I
did in fact say these, how can I discuss them? But from memory I
can tell that the first three are statements made by the email@example.com
person and not me. Did Mr. Morèno fail to check before accusing
me! Probably I made the forth point but what does that
prove? Does it prove that I made 3,000 spams? Is it an
admission that I made 3,000 spams? Or was it made in an angry exchange
where out of frustration I admitted to doing something I have not
done? I guess we will not know until Mr. Morèno provides a
link. I am not even going to read the rest of the points, it's
ridiculous. Here are the 8 paragraphs:
> . In
Africa women are circumsied tight with thorns. As a moslem I regret
being circumcised. I have heard on the radio discussion here in Los
Angeles that circumcision takes away the joy of sex substantially.
You can e-mail it? As a moslem I have heard on the radio discussion here
in Los Angeles that circumcision takes away the joy of sex
substantially. NO paradise.
As a moslem I regret being spammed. I
have heard on the radio discussion here in Los Angeles that
spamming takes away the joy of sex substantially.
[In response to
having made 3,000 submissions to over 100 news groups, Afshin responded
as follows] And oh, do you think that because I have spammed before
makes Sai Baba holy? You are so sloooowwww! Hehehehehe Yes, I spammed,
and will continue to do so. Copy this message and post it in all of your
messages, OK? NO one will care.
Talking Sai Baba is purpose in life.
I do not do anything but talk about him but he pays me no attention.
Read the following site. Its a must read for anyone who is interested
about my Sai Baba.
NO BRAINS YOU??? PROVEN NONESENSE ALL THAT!!! YOU
THINKING ALL VOMITED AND EATEN AND VOMITED AND EATEN BY YOU OVER OVER
MAKES SO??? NONESENSE!!! THINK!!!
What's up with porn pervert
Tranny? What a COWARD.
Tranny, seriously, I have shown that you are a
porn pervert who likes sex toys and who visits porn sites, now why don't
you sit down and think why Jesus would visit a freak like you? Dumbass!
hehehehehe. You are such an easy target. hehehehe. You make yourself
look bad, how stupid you are. [This is one, of thousands, of posts
Afshin made to sathyasaibaba2] Hey bastard, you don't know any web sites
that have the kind of info that he is talking about? You are a liar and
you are telling us that Sai Baba is God? Hey bastard, here is what you
posted in another newsgroup.
The link is my account of sexual
molestation, etc. at the hands of Sai Baba, so how can you tell you
don't know of such sites? F***ing liar.<
Did it ever cross Mr. Morèno's mind that with the many,
many accusations that he has listed, he should provide a link or
two? Would providing a link have proved his point wrong? Mr.
Morèno's lack of links and the fact that he cut and pasted only parts of
my responses and the fact that he did not provide any clue as to what I
was responding to, makes it look like he was trying to deliberately
influence the reader's judgment by denying them the whole picture.
At this point I am not sure if I can consider Mr. Morèno as an
honest individual with good motives.
Also, while Mr. Morèno lists
some statements that are supposedly mine (until I see some proof, they
are supposedly mine), he fails to paint a full picture of me as a person
without talking about my other posts where I provide a link to some nice
photography, or I try to help people, or where I say that I am acting
harsh only because the devotee who is arguing with me acts that way, or
where I extend a hand of friendship to this devotee a few times only to
be denied with insulting messages in response, etc.
Judge for yourself.
I ask the readers
to reserve judgment until Mr. Morèno provides the proofs to back up his
accusations. Thank you for giving me equal opportunity to present my
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