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| More Lies From ExBaba.com: Update: December 5th 2004 |
Comment from ExBaba: this is incorrect for a start. The JuSt group (Just Seekers of Truth) has 32 members, of which about half have written articles, while overall there are more from other contributors on ExBaba.com
On this page: http://www.saipetition.net/JuSTGroup.htm, the 32 Original Signatories are: Dinara Badaeva, Serguei Badaev, Dave. G. Brandt, Stephen Carthew, Timothy Conway, Andries Krugers Dagneaux, James Albert Danis, Lionel Fernandez, Dennis J. Hanisch, Elena Hartgering, John Hartgering, Soma Jeyendren, Alexander Keilonat, Marit Larssen, David. J. Lyons, Helen Lewers, Glen Meloy, Alexandra Nagel, Richard Nelson, Terry Nelson, Keith Ord, Shirley J. Pike, Barry Pittard, Robert Priddy, Reidun Priddy, Hortense Quijs, Stijntje Riemersma, Sathya Purcell, Sharon Purcell, Everett & Barbara Shocket, Marc-André St. Jean and Margarita Sanchez Van Dyck.
Of these, Badaev, Hartgering, Nelson, Priddy and Purcell are either husband and wife or family. They are not listed under one signature like Everett & Barbara Shocket.
These are the people who have written articles, letters or advocated against SSB by signing their names to public letters (besides the petition): Serguei Badaev, Dave. G. Brandt, Stephen Carthew, Timothy Conway, Andries Krugers Dagneaux, Lionel Fernandez, Dennis J. Hanisch, Elena Hartgering, Soma Jeyendren, David. J. Lyons, Glen Meloy, Alexandra Nagel, Richard Nelson, Terry Nelson, Keith Ord, Shirley J. Pike, Barry Pittard, Stijntje Riemersma, Robert Priddy, Reidun Priddy, Sharon Purcell, Everett & Barbara Shocket and Margarita Sanchez Van Dyck. That is 23. That is well over half of the 32 members of JuST (27 if you don't include family or spouses).
Now, go to http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/articles.html#authors, the Articles Section, and go to http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/letters.html#authors, theLetters Section, at ExBaba.com and see for yourself who makes the most submissions on ExBaba.com. You will find that Glen Meloy, Barry Pittard, Robert Priddy and Alexandra Nagel are the most prolific contributors to ExBaba.com. This is a verifiable fact using the Exbaba.com wesite itself!
Unlike the Sai Org.s total silence to queries, we post a reply to Morèno. Replies were sent directly by SaiPetition to his unpleasant mails with slurs etc., but he did not like them. But he got them!
Click Here to view my email correspondence with SaiPetition.net. See for yourself if they are "slurs" or not.
We also see that the JuST group committee recently posted at: http://www.saiguru.net/english/articles/new4.htm.
Click Here to view my response to this article by the JuST, SaiPetition.net "Committee".
Morèno did not do his homework or he would have investigated and traced some of the many mails answered in public by exposé activists posted on various web pages (such as on 'Petition News'), quite apart from the hundreds answered by e-mail to Sai supporters, some to time-wasting irrational persons like himself.
My Response: Actually, I did do my homework. I answered this point about the "Petition News" on the link provided above. It is also amusing to point out that on the "Petition News" page, the unnamed "Webmaster" unequivocally admitted to purposely withholding information from the general public!
The "Webmaster" said, "The JuST petition working group, in consultation with a dozen of the other original signatories in the JuST group, seriously considered the status of exposé dealings with the FBI and the CBI and found that the initiatives taken towards these bodies by various exposé activists have not so far proven effective. No documentation of replies, nor any public statement concerning Sathya Sai Baba or the accusations against him, have been made available anywhere by either the FBI in the USA or the CBI in India. Mentioning this in the international petition would therefore have been counter-productively unconvincing to any serious actors and agencies in the legal and human rights field. The same applies to the High Court judgement in India, where the charges were rejected as invalid, on the grounds that they were made by a person other than any of the injured parties. Documentation of all this only proves unadvised and incorrect procedure on behalf of the injured parties, which the JuST group considered a bad advertisment for the credibility of the petition to authorities around the world."
Now is this deceptive and crooked or what?
Since replies from Sai authorities amount to zero, ExBaba could never be shown to be acting "in the same manner". Morèno can be absurdly unreasonable. What's more, he clearly expects to receive answers to all his obfuscations just because he has web pages. So, because he did not get to post his stuff on exbaba, or get rewarded with immediate attention, he thinks it proves a case for 'secrecy'. 'dishonesty' and what not.
My Response: The claim made by JuST was not that the Sai Organization was not responding! Let me remind JuST of their own words on http://www.saiguru.net/english/articles/100prashanthicouncil.htm at SaiGuru.net: "In actual fact, many of his critics do not use 'propaganda'' but ask the great majority of pertinent questions that he and his secretive collaborators ignore and fail to answer...Criticisms of him are neither addressed nor refuted, but suppressed...The channels of contact are few even for members and many can attest that answers to any serious questions from those lower down the chain of command to those directly above are frequently either ignored or, when answers are actually forthcoming, they are usually either evasive, irrelevant or direct the questioner to carry out self-examination, etc....In the open and pluralistic world, as opposed to a soviet-style control of all information from the top, organisations without a two-way and sincere interface with the public cannot have notable success in the long term...This organisation always publishes exclusively positive information about itself and Sathya Sai Baba. Criticisms of him are neither addressed nor refuted, but suppressed."
Anyone who reads my email correspondence with Robert Priddy, Randi Godager and SaiPetition.net can clearly see that they "ignore and fail to answer" my "great majority of pertinent questions" and the response I got from the unnamed "Committee" proves that JuST has "secret collaborators". My "criticisms" are "neither addressed nor refuted, but suppressed". "The channels of contact are few" for contacting the 32 members of JuST. My questions were "frequently ignored or, when answers are actually forthcoming, they are usually either evasive or irrelevant". Despite JuST praising a "two way interface with the public", JuST has shown, through SaiPetition.net, that they care less for the dishonest and deceitful tactics employed by the petition to which they signed their names! They also care less about pro-SSB submissions which would be part of a "two-way and sincere interface with the public". Anyone can see that the petition is insincere and one-way! And, finally, my "criticisms are neither addressed nor refuted but suppressed". Now doesn't this sound like JuST is contradicting themselves when they are acting in the same manner, and style, that they accuse the Sai Organization of? I'll let the reader decide for him/herself.
He did not even look through the ExBaba.com guestbook, where severe criticisms have been accepted and answered to, even though more stupid and vile entries have had to be deleted. Every forum is free to exclude persons who spam it, defame its members and he has done this (under aliases like 'joè', 'vishwarupa')! He is and will remain an unwelcome guest there, whatever he writes, because of who and what he is representing, pig-headed and heartless belligerence against persons who have every right to call for justice and accountability.
My Response: Why can't ExBaba.com provide us with the proof that I "spammed" and "defamed" people on their guestbook? This sounds exactly like the claims made against SSB. Apparently, ExBaba.com wants people to believe them although I have conclusively shown that they are blatant and shameless liars! The truth of the matter is that I submitted 2 posts on the guestbook. I submitted one letter that was truncated. Consequently, I submitted the second part of my letter in a second post. That was it! My post was civil and was the exact post, verbatim, that I sent to Robert Priddy in my first email to him. My posts were deleted. I even have proof! I have the screen capture of my posts in ExBaba.com's guestbook! So this shows that ExBaba.com is telling more lies (again) about what I said and didn't say. Once again, my name is "Joe" and "vishwarupa" is NOT an "alias" but the domain name to my site: www.vishvarupa.com. It is also spelled "vishvarupa. Also, if you would like to see the kind of "stupid and vile entries" that ExBaba.com deletes, Click Here. As I pointed out before, some of the posts that appear to be pro-SSB seem to have been written by anti-SSB activists in an attempt to make devotees look bad.
'Sincere interface with the public' certainly need not include interface with fanatical defenders and would-be saboteurs of the exposé who approach people with unchivalrous mails and hair-splitting, predetermined subjective viewpoints.
My Response: This is an amusing comment. As if ExBaba.com supporters are not "fanatical defenders" to their anti-SSB camapaign! It is apparent that the only people guilty of "unchivalrous mails and hair-splitting, predetermined subjective viewpoints" are the ExBaba.com supporters, themselves! And I have the emails to back it up!
Morèno's knowledge of "soviet-style control" is preposterously ill-informed, so his attack is totally misplaced, as can easily be seen by the replies made through 4 years by exposé activists on ExBaba & elsewhere to people across the board. There is no hierarchy in the exposé, no exposé organisation, no top-down leadership, no personality cult (i.e. no father-figure or 'Uncle Joè' type despot). However, all that describes the indefensible and secretly run Sathya Sai organisation, which Morèno actually defends.
My Response: Once again, a denial by ExBaba.com with no supporting proof. I have addressed this point over and over on my page about the fraudulent petition at SaiPetition.net. However, I must concede that when it comes to who knows more about "soviet-style control", ExBaba.com has me trumped! ((laughs)) ExBaba.com seems to be implying that since the Sai Organization is doing something wrong, that somehow excuses them from being accountable for their actions and words! I think not. I have already discussed the beginning of the "exposé" starting with The Findings. I am asking the pertinent questions that ExBaba.com has failed to ask. They are accusing me of defending the SSO in a desperate attempt to calumnize me. I will once again note that ExBaba.com has miserably failed to clarify the innumerable inconsistencies, inaccuracies and deceitful methods employed by their site.
ExBaba comments: the hasty Morèno gets his impertinent questions (suffused with his 'ha-ha'-sneering tone) refuted by various persons via ExBaba now. He has only himself to blame that he gets this reply (at our pleasure), so he should enjoy them while he can! ExBaba is not at his beck and call. Sensible people soon see that his questions are mostly not pertinent but querulent & remind of compulsive behaviour.
My Response: I think that ExBaba.com should allow the general public to make up it's mind whether or not my questions are relevant or not. I think the general public is smart enough to know falsity when they see it. Of course, all of these "various persons" are nameless. This does not surprise me considering that ExBaba.com, SaiGuru.net and SaiPetition.net do not care about real names anyhow! They love to disperse anonymous allegations and love to promote a petition that allows people to use multiple fake names. So once again, the ExBaba.com writers are showing us how much they value real names!
"The exact footsteps" is a most amusingly inexact description of what ExBaba and the JuST group follow. The activities of the JuST Group are diametrically opposite to those they blame as to secrecy and total absence of open honest discussion, as noted above.
My Response: I just discussed this earlier. The unnamed and faceless writer of this letter is being redundant. By the way, Robert Priddy calls those who do not use their real names, "cowardly creatures".
Exposé undertakings have nothing to hide, unlike Sai Baba and his organisation, which exercises massive cover-ups, including at least 10 murders in the ashrams, quashing all allegations of sexual abuse, concealing suicides, bomb attacks, dissappearances and much more. No official reply has ever come from the Sai Organisation to the many e-mails, written and registered letters etc. questioning them. This applies even to its own members & office-bearers who pose awkward questions!
My Response: I have already discussed this on my Murders Section.
Why should the Sai Organization reply to the "many emails" from people who have shown that they will resort to lies, deceit and dishonesty at any cost? Apparently, the Sai Organization is smart enough to remain silent, allowing ExBaba.com, SaiGuru.net and SaiPetition.net to "expose" themselves! ((laughs)) And it is working too! The fact of the matter is that these anti-SSB sites have very little evidence in their favor, and they know it! Consequently, they are resorting to anonymous claims and unsubstantiated allegations, against SSB, to feed the hot-air balloon of disinformation that they float in!
And how does ExBaba.com know that "members & office-bearers" are posing "awkward questions" if ExBaba.com is claiming they are being silenced by the Sai Organization? Perhaps ExBaba.com can provide us with names and the "awkward questions" they are asking? Remember, these people must be current members and office bearers, as that is exactly what ExBaba.com just implied. Once again, unsubstantiated claims. See the pattern?
Instead, ExBaba contributors have much to make public and to expose. They have no funds (unlike the SS Central Trust which has drawn in vast amounts, and very often on false premises). ExBaba participants have never engaged in sexual molestation or abuse of minors, nor been accomplices to blackmail, murder & cover-up.
My Response: Once again, ExBaba.com is saying that SSB and the Sai Organization were "accomplices to blackmail, murder & cover-up". Now don't you think that it would actually vindicate ExBaba.com's claims if they could actually provide the general pubic with some proof? They have NO proof of blackmail, murder or cover-ups. None! Despite this fact, they choose to be led, like sheep, by inaccurate, dishonest and unsubstantiated stories. Once again: Show Us The Proof!
This is an "honest and open communication". Morèno should follow in such good footsteps himself.
My Response: I have a very open communication policy. Anyone is free to email me (emails links provided on every single page on my site) and make suggestions or bring factual inconsistencies to my attention. As a matter of fact, I have already made several updates in response to clarification issues raised by several people who I talked about, on my site. I strive for honesty and accountability and I think that anyone, who is fair and balanced, can see that. Despite the gnashing of teeth and raising a huge cry, by unnamed writers at ExBaba.com, they have failed to provide me with any evidence to refute my points. I think that speaks volumes in and of itself!
Morèno is a one-man webpage factory acting entirely on his own.
It is obvious that the faceless, anonymous person, who wrote this letter is not experienced in basic HTML web design. I am. Consequently, since I have created my own template design (that ExBaba.com stole from me) I can generate many pages in one day, as all I have to do is insert the text. Anyone with elementary knowledge of web design, knows this to be an indisputable fact. And for those who have web design software, it is even easier. I forged my HTML template by hand. ExBaba.com seems to be whining that it is terribly unfair that I have a better grasp of web design than they do! |
Despite ExBaba.com publishing open letters against me, ExBaba.com refuses to provide my response, or a link, on their site. This once again shows the cut-throat mentality of ExBaba.com and how they purposely choose to mislead the general public with negative, one-sided, selective and dishonest information and propaganda. This is yet another instance of ExBaba.com hypocrisy. |
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