December 30th 2004 ::: Guilt And Innocence:
Robert Priddy Flip-Flops About Guilt And Innocence
SATHYA SAI BABA IS ONLY FORMALLY INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, BUT IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT CLEARED OF GUILT
By Robert Priddy
The standpoint that a person is innocent until proven guilty is generalization which clouds many issues concerning guilt and innocence. It is absurd to think that a person cannot be guilty before being proven so in a court of law. It is really only a formal principle about whether a person has been convicted or not. Sai Baba’s critics are only too aware that no successful court proceedings have (so far!) been brought against him for his involvement in sexual abuse, pedophilia and complicity in murders. This does of course NOT mean that he innocent of any of these charges! Only devotees who do not want anything aired can believe such that this clears him of any of the many and weighty allegations lodged against him.
My Response: This is very amusing. Robert Priddy basically said that people are guilty until proven innocent, because:
“It is absurd to think that a person cannot be guilty before being proven so in a court of law. It is really only a formal principle about whether a person has been convicted or not.”
This means that anyone can accuse Robert Priddy of sexual abuse and he would be guilty until proven innocent! After all, it is absurd to think that Robert Priddy “cannot be guilty before being proven so in a court of law”! And, after all, being vindicated by a court of law is only a “formal principle”! Robert Priddy also failed to take into account the other equally valid reasoning in which it can be said that one who is “not cleared of guilt” can very well be innocent. That is why we have courts of law.
Of course, this is not the way the Justice System works in any civilized country. Robert Priddy is showing his disdain for the legal process in relation to guilt or innocence. Robert Priddy said of Sathya Sai Baba: “no successful court proceedings have (so far!) been brought against him for his involvement in sexual abuse, pedophilia and complicity in murders”. Why not? Especially if the “weighty allegations” are so compelling?
It is also amusing to point out that Robert Priddy made mention on this page (and other pages as well) that if anyone wants to challenge the testimonies of alleged, sexual abuse victims, they should file a court case for “libel” against them. Robert Priddy believes that since no one has filed a court case against alleged sexual abuse victims for “libel” that their testimonies must somehow be true. In this instance, Robert Priddy is advocating and soliciting the necessity of the Justice System, but when he talks about Sathya Sai Baba, he advocates and solicits the opposite, saying that court cases are not necessary in establishing a person’s guilt in relation to criminal activities! Consequently, using Robert Priddy’s logic (illogic), it is absurd to think that an alleged sexual abuse victim may be entirely libelous until proven otherwise in a court of law.
Not only does Robert Priddy use the Justice System as a defence for alleged, sexual abuse victims, the SaiPetition.net “Committee” also told me that their petition signatures are legal and that the only way to determine the indisputable legality of the signatures is through a court of law. Despite Robert Priddy and the SaiPetition.net Committee’s adherence to the legal process (when it comes to issues that they support), like true hypocrites they feel that the legal process is irrelevant and a triviality when it comes to issues regarding Sathya Sai Baba! More equivocation from Anti-Sai Activists.
My Response: If Saddam Hussein is truly guilty, why are they subjecting him to a court of law to determine his guilt or innocence? The fact of the matter is that guilt or innocence in relation to criminal activities is left up to a court of law. It is not left to trial by internet propaganda. There is simply no comparison between Saddam Hussein and Sathya Sai Baba. None whatsoever.
Robert Priddy cited the story of the Belgian rapist and murderer, Marc Dutroux. There are simply no comparisons between the two. Marc Dutroux had convictions going back 25 years. Sathya Sai Baba does not have even one single conviction. As a matter of fact, Sathya Sai Baba has never (ever) been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise. Furthermore, not even one court case or basic police complaint has been filed (or has attempted to be filed) against Sathya Sai Baba for alleged, sexual impropriety in India. Robert Priddy revealed his fanaticism and extremism by comparing Sai Baba with a known rapist and murderer.
Despite the crucial role that the Justice System plays in punishing criminals, Robert Priddy is saying that on one hand our Justice System is not required to determine guilt or innocence, yet on the other hand Sathya Sai Baba should be tried and convicted like any other criminal through a court of law! Let me repeat again, what I have said over and over: There is not even one person who has even tried to file a court case or basic police complaint against Sathya Sai Baba in India for alleged sexual misconduct. Not even one person! Nor has Sai Baba ever been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise. Period.
My Response: Sathya Sai Baba is not a “mass murderer”. Although it is true that there are murderers who have not been brought to justice, determining whether a person is truly guilty of murder is left to a court of law. There have been people who have been accused of rape and murder who later on, through DNA testing or other means, have been shown to be innocent. Robert Priddy is using the example of “murderers” because he erroneously speculated that Sathya Sai Baba was somehow involved in the 1993 Police Shootings. Robert Priddy’s concepts of “evidence” are Indian newspaper clippings (that he embellished and which ex-devotees claim are corrupt) and the testimonies of unnamed or dead sources! Robert Priddy is desperate to implicate Sathya Sai Baba with the 1993 Police Shootings because he is bitter about being “defrauded” (his word) by Sai Baba. Robert Priddy believed, very strongly, that Sai Baba was God of the Universe, Avatar of the Age and even wrote a book preaching the same. The so called “judgment of history” will only testify to Robert Priddy’s pathetic references to anonymous or dead sources and his embellishment of newspaper clippings.
One may also note that Robert Priddy made reference to “sworn testimonies”. Where are they?
Once again, using Robert Priddy’s logic (illogic), there are many people who libel others without being brought to justice and proven guilty of anything. Does this exonerate them, clear them of any actual guilt? Definitely not!
Regarding Sathya Sai Baba, Robert Priddy stated he is is not free from guilt (regarding alleged sexual abuse allegations, murders and fraud) because Sai Baba has not been challenged in a court of law! However, Robert Priddy contradicts this very same example by saying that alleged, sexual abuse victims are free from guilt (regarding libel), because they have not been challenged in a court of law! This shows the double standard that Robert Priddy uses (and abuses) to promote his agenda of deceit and vindictiveness at any cost. Even at the cost of pesonal integrity and honesty.
My Response: It is clear that Robert Priddy and other Anti-Sai Activists ARE fully motivated by a “lynch mob mentality”. Again, show us the proof! We do not want conspiracy theories. We do not want anonymous accounts. We do not want unsubstantiated speculations. We do not want accounts from dead people, who cannot confirm or deny their words. We want proof.
Robert Priddy made a strong statement when he said:
“When there is compelling evidence of SSB’s putative guilt, as now - and highly credible accounts from so many people around the world - it is wholly legitimate to claim that SSB is guilty even before he is brought to justice.”
Of course, the question that comes immediately to mind is that if there are truly “compelling evidence” and “highly credible accounts from so many people around the world”, why is it that these people fail to file suit against Sai Baba? After all, they have “compelling evidence” and “highly credible accounts”! The reason why no court cases have ever been filed against Sathya Sai Baba (nor has he ever been charged) is because the “compelling evidence” and “highly credible accounts” are neither compelling nor credible!
Despite Robert Priddy’s garrulous letter, he miserably failed to provide us with a scintilla of evidence against Sai Baba. Robert Priddy sadly repeated, parrot-like, the U.S. State Department Warning against Sai Baba that ex-devotees boasted on accomplishing themselves via an unremitting “e-bombing” campaign. The warning specifically stated that the reports of inappropriate sexual behavior were “unconfirmed”! Furthermore, they will only verify once you call them (Sai Baba’s name does not appear in the warning) that the warning is about Sathya Sai Baba. They will not verify accounts of sexual abuse. If the US State Department had enough “adequate evidence” as Robert Priddy claimed, why did they say that the reports of inappropriate sexual behavior were “unconfirmed”? And if this “adequate evidence” really exists, why hasn’t anyone even tried to file a court case against Sai Baba in India? As a matter of fact, the British Consular Office, in Chennai unequivocally stated that NO reports of sexual abuse have been filed against Sai Baba nor could they could find ANY court cases underway against him either.
Robert Priddy also cites the Unesco Withdrawal, which ex-devotees once again boasted on accomplishing themselves. One must also remember that ex-devotees claim that Sathya Sai Baba’s “empire” is worth billions of dollars. To date, not even money-hungry lawyers will touch alleged victims. Ever wonder why? Also, Barry Pittard offered alleged victims free “world-class legal resources”. To date, no alleged victim has utilized these free “world-class legal resources”. Ever wonder why?
But the UNESCO statement has NOT been officially withdrawn in any public announcement and in NO WAY INVALIDATES UNESCO’s action in issuing it originally! Further, UNESCO has assured the BBC that that they only deleted it a routine for updating and clearing the site. Further UNESCO stated to the BBC that they do not regret having posted it. The full documentation of this will be available as soon as possible on this website.
My Response: The Unesco Withdrawal was deleted after Unesco formally wrote a letter expressing regret about the incident. I even have a copy of the letter on the referenced link about Unesco. Ex-devotees are now attacking Unesco although they still cite the Unesco Withdawal as something in their favor.
My Response: Here is Robert Priddy’s comment that I made reference to earlier on this page. Robert Priddy is affirming the necessity of the Justice System when it comes to alleged sexual abuse victims in regards to guilt or innocence of “libel”. However, Robert Priddy denies the necessity of the Justice System when it applies to Sathya Sai Baba, in regards to guilt or innocence! Robert Priddy also said that because the alleged sexual abuse victims have never been challenged in a court of law for “libel” then their allegations must somehow be true. Does Robert Priddy truly believe this? Apparently so, or else he wouldn’t have said it. However, this puts Robert Priddy between a rock and hard place. For example, Leo Rebello alleged that Robert Priddy had sexual relations with Sai Baba. Rebello’s allegations must somehow be true because Robert Priddy has never challenged Rebello for “libel” in a court of law. Rober Priddy also accused me of “libel” and he has never challenged me in a court of law either. This, once again, points to Robert Priddy’s double standards and tergiversation. The fact of the matter is that people have lied about abuse, murder, crimes and just about everything else in public. Allegations are not convictions or facts. A criminal allegation is vindicated and affirmed only through a court of law by a conviction. Not through internet propaganda. And most certainly, not through Robert Priddy’s propaganda!
My Response: Here, Robert Priddy insinuated that the reason why Indian Students are not filing court cases against Sathya Sai Baba is because of the “huge uncertainties of the Indian so-called justice”. Robert Priddy also said that the law does not prevail in India and that the police are “corrupt” and “often in the pocket of politicians and other power brokers”. These are important points that I will address shortly.
Robert Priddy said, “Several prominent critics of Sai Baba have been attacked by hit men and some we know in India are in hiding.” Where is the proof? Anyone can make these types of unsubstantiated and erroneous allegations. This type of anonymous-story mongering is prevalent throughout the Anti-Sai Community. This is just another instance of the anonymous story mongering that I have often pointed out in ex-devotee’s writings. Robert Priddy is a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
My Response: Robert Priddy said that India is “power-corrupt” and is a place where, “countless sectarian murders are universally known to go unsolved and often virtually uninvestigated” and where “sex abuse victims do no receive positive treatment from courts”. Robert Priddy furthered his point by saying, “practically the whole Indian society is in a Victorian double-morale gridlock of taboos and suppression, both as to homosexual molestation and pedophilia (including child marriage, etc.). These abuses can flourish there where no one can speak out and get a hearing without risking life and limb, slander and vituperation.” In his earlier comments, Robert Priddy said that the reason why Indian Students are not filing court cases against Sai Baba is because of the “huge uncertainties of the Indian so-called justice” where the law does not prevail and where the police are “corrupt” and “often in the pocket of politicians and other power brokers”.Now on to Robert Priddy’s slippery-tongued contradictions:
Robert Priddy said:
“Supposed ‘religious figures’ get convicted and imprisoned in Indian courts for sex offences and murder. Their devotees, however, invariably insist that their gurus could not possibly be guilty and the trials must have been unfair, fixed, or due to political repression and so on. Unfair High Court convictions probably do occur, but hardly in more than a few instances.”
Hold on! In this quote, Robert Priddy praised the Indian Justice System as being reliable with only a “few instances” of “unfair high court convictions” in relation to imprisonment of “supposed religious figures” (gurus)!
Robert Priddy admitted that Indian Courts have succeeded in justly convicting “supposed religious figures” of sexual abuse offences and murders! Robert Priddy said that there are only a “few instances” of “unfair high court convictions”. If this is true, then why did Robert Priddy say that Indian Students are failing to file court cases against Sai Baba because the Indian Justice System does not work, is corrupt and not trustworthy? See the pattern of deceit?
Nevertheless, Robert Priddy just bashed India as being “power corrupt” and a place where “sex abuse victims do no receive positive treatment from courts” and a place where law does not prevail. Robert Priddy bashed the Indian Justice System by saying that there are “huge uncertainties of the Indian so-called justice”; and then Robert Priddy bashed the Indian Police as being “corrupt” and “often in the pocket of politicians and other power brokers”! However, Robert Priddy said that followers of convicted Gurus of sex crimes and murders are in “denial” for saying that the court cases “must have been unfair, fixed, or due to political repression and so on”! Oddly enough, these are the very same reasons that Robert Priddy used to condemn the Indian Justice System with! Apparently, it is okay for Robert Priddy to use these excuses, but no one else can use them! This is a perfect example of Robert Priddy’s deeply conflicted, hypocritical and wishy-washy opinions. Robert Priddy needs to sort out his arguments and stop being duplicitous.
My Response: I can’t help but to laugh reading these words from Robert Priddy. Obviously, Anti-Sai Activists have not “viewed, correlated and checked the massive evidence critically from all conceivable angles” because they are attacking me and resorting to stealing, lies, defamation and banning to prevent me from presenting my “view of the evidence”.
Once again, Robert Priddy is claiming that there is “massive evidence”. Despite this claim, no one has even attempted to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India for alleged sexual misconduct. If this “massive evidence” was actually submitted into a court of law, it would gain world-wide exposure and people could decide for themselves whether there is any merit to the alleged “massive evidence”. However, once again, no one has even tried to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sai Baba in India despite repeated claims of “massive evidence”, “adequate evidence” and “weighty allegations”. Robert Priddy said that this massive evidence has been made public! It has? If this “massive evidence” has been made public on Anti-Sai Websites, then perhaps that is the reason why this has never gone to a court of law!
Robert Priddy said that the Indian Government and Judiciary are corrupt in India. If this is true, why did Robert Priddy (earlier on this very same page) praise the Indian Judiciary as being reliable with only a “few instances” of “unfair high court convictions”? Robert Priddy also acknowledged that Gurus have successfully been tried and convicted in India. However, when people ask Robert Priddy why no one has even tried filing a case against Sai Baba in India for alleged sexual improprieties, Robert Priddy changes his tune, foams-at-the-mouth and alleges the Indian Government and Judiciary are corrupt!
My Response: This paragraph shows why Robert Priddy is so angry and bitter against Sathya Sai Baba. Robert Priddy felt that Sai Baba “defrauded” him and “abused” his faith “most thoroughly”. Robert Priddy is still very angry, bitter and vindictive against Sai Baba. It is clear that his anger is a negative force that is channeled through his various websites. Robert Priddy uses his gift of eloquence for subterfuge and deceit and he refuses to address many pertinent questions and just criticisms against him. His numerous lies (fully-documented) prove that he is not credible or reliable.
At http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/witnesses/robert.html, Robert Priddy claimed that he is an, “independent observer and relatively neutral witness to the Sai Baba phenomenon and movement”. Anyone who views his six Anti-Sai websites can see that Robert Priddy is anything but an “independent observer and relatively neutral witness to the Sai Baba phenomenon and movement”. This shows how Robert Priddy tries to present himself one way, when in fact he is quite another.
One must remember that to this day Robert Priddy does not deny that Sathya Sai Baba has genuine paranormal powers. At http://home.no.net/anir/Sai/enigma/VKN1.htm Robert Priddy said:
“Some of what I experienced of SSB’s extraordinary and positive powers through many years is undeniable, even after the most rigorous skeptical investigations, and I do not regard him as any ordinary human being. I have simply had to realize that his actions in the worldly and human sphere are not infallible and are not always setting a perfect example for others.”
Despite this confession, Robert Priddy sees every materialization as fraudulent. Robert Priddy is a deeply conflicted person and still doesn’t know what to believe. He makes the case against Sai Baba as being a fraud and lousy magician, but then claims that Sai Baba has “undeniable” and “extraordinary and positive powers”! Robert Priddy then claims he is a “neutral witness” to Sai Baba but then turns right around and creates various websites dispersing hundreds of articles against him. Robert Priddy failed to provide a shred of evidence about Sai Baba’s alleged complicity in the 1993 police shootings. Despite this fact, Robert Priddy (on his website) posts grotesque collages of corpses (which have been shot in the face, hands and torso, saturated in blood) and combines these images with pictures of Sathya Sai Baba distributing. This proves that Robert Priddy is very bitter, desperate, negative, angry and vindictive.
My Response: In "Response To Form Interrogatories" (Form Interrogatory No. 6.3, Set One) Alaya Rahm fully admitted that he had been a daily user of illegal street drugs and alcohol since at least 1999 - 2005. Consequently, during Alaya Rahm's "Divine Downfall" and India Today Anti-Sai interviews and during the filming of the BBC Documentary "Secret Swami" and the "Seduced By Sai Baba" Danish Documentary, Alaya Rahm was under the influence of illegal street drugs and alcohol while relating his alleged sexual encounters with Sathya Sai Baba. This crucial information wholly undermines Alaya Rahm's credibility and irreparably compromises the integrity of his claims. Needless to say, this information has been purposely suppressed from the general public by Anti-Sai Activists and the media. This is the alleged testimony that Robert Priddy is soliciting as “compelling”. See:
If 'demons' in human form were to exist (a primitive superstition in any case), would not those who caused through blackmail and cover-up (including SSB, who was present but avoided all questioning by any official body) the execution in cold blood of four devotees in SSB’s bedroom qualify for the title? Or male sex abuse of underage boys, of which SSB stands very firmly accused? His true nature stands revealed: he is a fallible human liar – who says that his critics are acting for money. He is a conscious deceiver and manipulator. The moral burden of guilt lies most firmly on SSB for deceiving everyone for so long and so thoroughly. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that some of his most inflamed and low-minded followers call all critics liars or demons etc. and try to smear us with base and totally undocumented and unfounded sexual libels, or - as ex-International Chairman of the Sai Org., Indulal Shah spread around by e-mails- the bare-faced and totally undocumented lie that critics are acting on behalf of 'vested interests'.
My Response: It is amusing that Robert Priddy claimed that belief in demons is a “primitive superstition” because he believed (for many years, dating back to 1988) in “elves, fairies, leprechauns, gnomes, trolls, water spirits, animal and plant spirits or ‘devas’ , angels, invisible helpers, shaman ’spirits’, ‘allies’, UFOs, extra-terrestrials, possessive demons, Satan, Pan-figures and other demi-gods”! He even wrote an article about it! See For Yourself.
Again, Robert Priddy is venting his anger but miserably failed to provide us with any proof to support his claims. Once again, Robert Priddy talked about Sai Baba’s complicity in murders. However Robert Priddy has no proof that Sai Baba was associated with it in any way. Where is the proof of blackmail? The “proof” are the words of V.K. Narasimhan (an ardent Sai Devotee to his death) who cannot confirm or deny Robert Priddy’s absurd claims as to what he allegedly said (Priddy waited for V.K.N. to die before he attributed all sort of rubbish to him).
Although I have rightly called many Anti-Sai Activists “liars”, I have not called any of them “demons”. It is also amusing that Robert Priddy takes issue with Indulal Shah for saying that Anti-Sai Activists are acting on behalf of “vested interests”. Indulal Shah is as correct as Dr. Kovoor, who said that anyone who spreads anonymous stories are “withholding information”, being “insincere and dishonest”, “conspiring”, “propagandizing” and having a “vested interest”. The fact remains that Anti-Sai Activists parade many anonymous stories as the truth. If Dr. Kovoor can use this logic against Pro-Sai Activists, I see no reason why Indulal Shah can use this very same type of logic against Anti-Sai Activists.
My Response: Click Here to view my response to the article.